Breaking Down Slow Pedagogy
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Hello and welcome to this week's big hearted podcast. I'm going to be talking about slow pedagogy and putting that into practical examples for you. Today, because I want you to really understand. This idea, because it is definitely the feeling and the expression that is coming through in big hearted education in 2025.
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Okay. So some of you may have, if you're listening. Like when this podcast comes out. Uh, may have seen over the last couple of weeks that I've done a significant amount of de-cluttering in my life. Uh, I'd started in my office and then I moved this weekend into my linen cupboard. And I was thinking about it today because the level of productivity that I am able to achieve now, Just purely because I have decluttered my space. Is quite astounding.
Now I knew this. I knew it and I didn't think my office was that bad. It wasn't until I really started. Ruthlessly chucking stuff out that I was like, oh my gosh, where did all this stuff come from? Like, where did it come from? Uh, and there was like heaps of it. I got rid of it, a cube unit and all sorts of stuff.
So. Uh, years of paperwork, that is an approved approved provider. I have to keep a and it's stuff I've got to keep for three years. So I was able to offload our whole heap of that, um, as well. So that felt really, really good. And it opened the space in my office and it really inspired me to work again. And it gave me a really lovely, fresh start.
And it's given me so many more options in my office. So I was, then this weekend just gone. Uh, wanted to attack my linen cupboard as well, because I live up in the mountains and it gets rainy. And when we have a couple of weeks of rain, it gets quite Deb everywhere. Like it's like a billion percent humidity. So it gets so humid that the tiles get wet and you've got to be really careful when you're walking on the tiles.
Otherwise you'll slip over. So. Uh, on my walk today, I was thinking about that and I was thinking about how, you know, I had this one. Sort of basket that I had all of my linen in, because I've seen the tick talks on how to organize your linen cupboard. And I was inspired at one stage and I went and got these. I thought, oh, these are big enough.
And, you know, sturdy enough that they will do really, really well for all of my linen. Uh, but I didn't really have a great deal of thought because they were like sea grass or hyacinth. The whatever that, um, grassy stuff is that you can get baskets out of. And because of the damp, they just absorbed all of the moisture and then everything smelled musty and. Mildewy in my linen cupboard.
And that just doesn't work for me. So I had to go and get a whole different style. Uh, and these ones are like wax covered. So they look pretty, but they're not going to absorb all the moisture and there was different shapes and sizes. So they suited different. Uh, things within my linen cupboard. So, how does this all relate to slow pedagogy?
I hear you asking. Well, it's quite simple because there's so many layers to slow pedagogy. And the first thing that I want to talk about is slow pedagogy. Isn't just like being slow. It doesn't mean that you go half the speed you did to do half the things you did. What it actually requires is for an educator to be mindful. Now in order for an educated, to be mindful, they need to be observing the children that they're working with.
And it's not just looking at what their dominant Handy's and. Oh, they did plow with the blocks today. It's, it's so much more than that. Slow slow pedagogy and deep, true observation means looking at the. Child as a whole. That includes spiritually, physically, emotionally. And spiritually is a really interesting topic.
Um, And it, I think it depends on what your spiritual base is too, as to how you will define that. But every belief system believes in having a spiritual life and children have the exact same thing. So. I think it's a very important part of. How we look and engage with children. So I just really want you to take that into consideration that a child is not just turning up on your doorstep. And just like being there. They're actually an entire being that has thoughts and feelings and opinions and ideas. And we are in that really privileged time and space of their life to be able to help shape them. So it's really important that we very much embody this idea of slow pedagogy. Spiritually, because it means that we allow them to unfold in the way. That they see best for themselves. And that requires an educator to have a huge amount of mindfulness in her practice. And how she approaches how she works or he works with the children. So how does my linen cupboard and decluttering. Fit in with slope pedagogy. Stop beating around the Bush Victoria and just get to it.
So. How I was like, what I was thinking about this morning when I was on my walk. Was that. The resources that you have mashed up. They need to be fit for purpose, right. Or to be malleable so that they can fit for purpose. Having things that the children don't engage with taking up space in your environment is pointless. As E's having too many things.
So in the instance with my office, The brain space that clearing up my office created. I cannot tell you. How much more. Organized. I feel in my head. And less is more friends, less is more. And this impacts children too. If you have an environment where you have every single one of your resources on display, Or you've got 10 of everything on display. And it's. Bright and garish and all these things.
It makes it difficult for the children. To be able to process their thoughts and even begin to start to free play in a manner that is going to see them get into their deep play. Because there's so much choice there. And choice can be super overwhelming. I know I put a reel up yesterday when I going to my wardrobe and I have the choice of 10 dresses to where you can guarantee. Not one single one will feel right.
And that's because this one. Uh, maybe the color's not exactly what I'm going for. I'll try another one on, ah, look, it's a little bit too long. It's going to be a hot summer's day. I don't want to be wearing a long dress. I goes on the floor and then I go, oh, look, this one's nice. It's shorter, but it's got long sleeves and I'm kinda, ah, just don't think long sleeves are going to be, that's not right either.
And so then I go through all 10 dresses and I feel happy with none of them. And they all end up on the floor in a big mess, right. That I don't have time to pick up and put away because I've got to make a decision. And I am never going to be happy with the decision I made because I had far too much choice. And he's exactly the same with children in the environment that they play in. So less is always more, there's so many benefits to less is more, less to clean up at the end of the day, because we all know when children really get into their play, they can very much pull everything out.
And then when it's time to pack away, it's a huge, giant overwhelming mess. That even you are overwhelmed by it. And let me guess you probably get a little bit cranky. Come on. Let's pack away. I don't want to do it all by myself and you end up doing it all by yourself and then you become resentful. Let's just get rid of half the crap that we've got and stop. Allowing or putting the children in that position where they do what comes naturally to children and pull everything out.
So let's just have the things that are. Vital for their work. And have things that are open-ended that are not just one purpose, because then they can be used for a multitude of ways or they can be used in a multitude of ways within the children's play. So when we start to have less ease more and we stop overwhelming the children, a lot of the anxiety connected behaviors that we can sometimes observe in children. Can dissipate and that's because they're not overwhelmed. And when they're not overwhelmed, the nervous system is not flooded with these overwhelmed. Um, notions and the overwhelmed, um, communication that's coming from the brain.
And therefore they get to think a lot clearer and their thinking is more ordered. And when they have ordered thinking. They're much calmer and those anxiety ridden behaviors that we might see. Seemed to dissipate. Now, how does that come into play when it comes to having those. The equipment that's fit for purpose or for that very reason. Is that it allows the children to explore these things in many like multifaceted ways. And that is really so beneficial for their imagination, for their problem solving. And it means that they become very acquainted with the resources that are there. And using them in a variety of ways. So, this is what I was thinking about this morning when I was thinking about, uh, how slow pedagogy. Um, can really start and begin with you, decluttering your space and looking at your environment through fresh eyes. So the other thing that I want to talk about is that, um, slow doesn't mean slow. It doesn't mean doing things slowly.
I mean, that's obviously going to come into it because children need time. They're practicing these skills that they're learning. And when we go into the realm of becoming school ready and trying to get the children's school ready. It pushes us into doing. And we pile on things onto the agenda so that we can tick all of these boxes because what we've actually done. Is that we've jumped into the system. And so many of us are feeling stressed. And overwhelmed ourselves. By the system. And by like all of the boxes that we have to tick in the system, and that's all of your compliance stuff.
Now don't get me wrong. I know firsthand the importance of compliance and following safety and all of that sort of stuff. And that's going to be a podcast. That I share in a little while. Um, The learnings that I've got from the accident that my husband was involved in just over two years ago now. Um, because I feel like everyone knows about it, but I get lots of questions about it.
So I'll do a podcast on it so that you can understand more deeply where I come from when it comes to. Compliance and understanding the importance of compliance because there is no getting around it. So. But we are in the system. The minute we take money from the government in the form of CCS, we are in the system and we have to play the system and we have to follow the rules of the system, but we do not have to be overwhelmed by the system.
What happens when we get in the system is we get wound up and we get overwhelmed. And when we become overwhelmed, we don't make rational decisions. We find it hard to make decisions clearly because our system, our nervous system is. Flooded with the overwhelmed bug and it's not a pleasant place to be. And so what I want us to understand is that children get flooded by this overwhelmed bug as well.
So when we get into that system, It can be really hard for us to get out because it's a machine and it just goes and goes and goes and goes and goes and goes and goes. So I read a beautiful quote by professor Alison Clark and it is. Listening has become counter-cultural in a system driven by measurement. Now that really struck a chord with me because it's really true what we've done by becoming so enraptured by the system and the EYL F and don't get me wrong.
I think that you YLF is an incredible document. But I think we weigh in far too deeply on it and we are worried. Far too much about the documentation that's required. There is a different way to do your documentation. There is a different way to measure. The children and, and slow pedagogy, I think is a big key to how we are going to swing the pendulum back to a time where things were easier. And that was when educators truly deeply engaged with the children.
Now don't for a second thinking, engaging with the children is doing everything for them or doing lots of things for them. It's actually not. What it's doing, engaging with the children is setting your environment up and oh, do I say. I have things that are fit for purpose. That will help children to succeed. Where it doesn't matter if they knock over their little cup of water, it doesn't matter if they take five scoops of something instead of one or two. That there is plenty for them to practice and it is this idea of practice and it is us setting the space and holding the space where someone does knock over something.
We don't make a big deal out of it. We just go, oh, you knocked that over. Let's get a towel and we'll wipe that up. Do you remember where the towels are and get that child to go and get the towel to wipe the mess up that they made? And then try again. Because everything can be packed up, cleaned up, put away. And made better again, uh, you know, or, or purchased again.
Like, I mean, we have to understand that if we let the children use glassware or teacups and things like that in there. So in our service that they are going to be. At risk of being broken and that's okay. Thing accidents happen, but children don't want to maliciously go and destroy our resources. So there's so many layers and levels that comes into just this example of letting the children pour their own water in their cups at lunchtime. You know, let's ditch the drink bottles, let's have cups and jugs on the table so that the children get the opportunity to pour their water or milk or whatever it is that you're giving them at lunchtime. Water generally would be the thing.
So let them pour it. Like these are life skills and we're giving the children the opportunities. And the time and the space to make mistakes and learn how to do these jobs and these tasks and these skills. In a way that's not shaming them.
And you need to create the space and create the time where you are relaxed and you are sitting with the children, engaging with the children and talking to them. And talking with them whilst these things are happening. Now. There's a couple of things that are going to come into these as well. And it requires you to be planned and organized.
Now, this is what I would say. This is where I would say this is your professional work, right? So we're going to be talking a lot about this this year, especially at the conference. Especially in the summit, especially when we do helicopter to hands off this year in the, or this March, when we want essential elements. And we dive deep into slow pedagogy in the essential elements. I didn't know at the time that that's what that course was, but now I'm looking back on it all and it is literally the blueprint on how to set your day up. From go to whoa. To have more space and more time in your day. So that you can slow down and be truly deeply present with the children. I didn't know that at the time I had never even heard the term slow pedagogy. I heard it.
I can't remember. I think it was from Anthony snowman. And one of the presenters at one of the conferences that they put on last year. Uh, slow pedagogy and instantly it was like a massive penny just joined me on the head and I really truly understood it. And I've done a little bit more research on it.
Uh, and it's through the free bell, um, 4 billion principles. And there's a couple of links that I'll put into the show notes so that you can, uh, have a look at them as well. So like all of these things, this is your professional work, right. So I see and hear so many educators saying that they're overwhelmed.
They're overworked. There's no balance there's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But we're not doing anything different. So what I think we need to do, and I've spoken at about it, about it in last week's podcast, too. Is beginning to bring the pendulum back to what it was like years ago.
And that was before we were systems driven. In terms of systems driven for measurement for children. Now we need to be systems driven because things don't just magically happen. There has to be work done. Um, and that is our professional workout, professional planning. Uh, the things that we do to make sure that we are present and have the time and the space with the children when they're in care with us.
So it's like a mother, like the house doesn't just run. Right. You've got to in the background, be thinking about the menu for the week that you're going to serve the family, which is then going to inform your grocery list, which is then going to inform your budget. Right. And they may be in different sort of orders for you. But these are all plans.
These are all things that you put in place to help your house run smoothly. Or it could be, if you're looking at a hospital, for example, uh, sutures, don't just turn up. They have to be ordered. Someone has to look at the amount of surgeries that are planned. And then go, okay, well, we're probably going to, on average, we need 20 sutures per surgery or whatever it is.
We have 15 surgeries lined up on the Monday. So we're going to need X amount of switches for the Monday, and then we always need to prepare for. The unexpected and we will order some extra. So on Monday, we're going to order this many on Tuesday. We're going to order that many, that doesn't just happen during the Monday. Someone has to look at the evidence that they have, which is the booked surgeries.
I don't know why I'm using this analogy, but anyway, I'd make sense. Someone has to preplan and look at what's upcoming and then make decisions and orders and have things in place so that when Monday comes, they're not chasing their tail, trying to get things together and get organized. Those things were packaged out before the Monday in their individual little surgical. You know, they've seen, they have the tray ready and the doctor just peels the tray off and there's the scalpel and he sees this and he's this, and he's that Molly stitches that he's going to need it all there. Magically appeared because there's women behind the scenes.
Dare I say it. Magically appeared for the doctor. Uh, but this is what we need to do in our business as well. That is, this is called working on your business, not in your business. So the work that you do with the children is in the business. The work that you do outside of working with the children is on your business. Now I want you to work the least amount outside of your business as possible. But being that you are a small business owner and that you are running your family daycare service and your core work hours are with children.
You are, the reality is you are going to have to work sometimes outside of your work hours. Now that's okay. It's what it is. But what we want to do is reduce the amount of outside work hours that you need to do. Okay. And this is where you need to get really clever. And this is where, when we can do that work outside of the work hours and work on the business.
When we're working in the business, we are able to be far more present with the children. And this is where slow pedagogy comes from. It doesn't come from. When you're with the children, it comes from the prior preparation that you've done. In order to be present with the children. It requires a huge level of discipline from you.
Now, if we want to really elevate family daycare so that it becomes. The service of choice, we need to be more professional. We need to be the educators that are light. And joyful in their work. All the time, because that is not what is meeting families when they walk into long daycare settings. We want families to walk into our environment. And feel. Like it's a joyful experience that they actually don't want to leave.
Even though we have boundaries around that and families leave in a reasonable time. But we want them to go. Do you know what? I wish I could have my childhood here. That's what we want now that comes from a prepared and organized educator. And this is where slow pedagogy start. It requires discipline from you to put things in place. And to know what you're doing and what we want to move away from. And we talk about this in the seasonal planning.
And we have, I have a workshop for you. Uh, coming up on the 15th of February, I'm just double checking my date. It is the 15th of February. Um, the autumn planning and I will show you the blueprint on how to get 90 days worth of planning or three months worth of planning the whole autumn season. Can be planned in a three hour session.
Now, granted, when you're new to it, it can be a little bit like, what the heck is she talking about? But. Trust the process. It's a trust the process because it's not actually the planning that you struggle with. It's the story you tell yourself about how invested in the system you are. In ticking, the boxes. And getting everything right.
I can guarantee you educators that have done the planning with me and they stick with it. Uh, for far more competent and capable of explaining what they're doing in their program. If the department turns up. Not only that, but the level of relational and emotional building skills that are happening within the groups with these children. Is off tap. Completely next level educators are sharing with me almost daily. Oh, my goodness. The children just know. They just take care of their own learning and what you do.
And this is where slow pedagogy comes in is it's the deeply observational things. So you start to notice those relational interactions. You start to notice where children are struggling emotionally, or if they're having a socio, um, S what's the words socio-economic. That's not really for children. Uh, socio emotional. Challenge. And you deeply understand the children because you're not rushing through your day.
You're not thinking of 50,000 different things everything's organized in order it's planned. You've had that discipline to get those things done before you get on the floor with the children. And you have the time and the space to be present, to investigate what's going on. And these are the things that you do, your observations on. And when the children take charge of their learning and they do, because you aren't rushed.
When you go about your day, the children are actually able to choose the things that they want to learn in, and you can extend their learning. Anytime you choose by just. Opening. Yourself too. Following their interests. But you still are meeting the requirements of having an individualized program because you're looking at those emotional and social, uh, Connections and. Relationships that are forming. And so then there, therefore you are able to spend time with the children to. Guide them and mentor them through. How is it appropriate to be. Uh, sharing your emotions with your friends. How to actually help children get the courage to. Connect to what they're actually feeling and to be able to verbalize what they're feeling now, that's a process that takes years. I'm still learning it at 45. I'm undoing a whole lot of stuff, because I don't think there was much slow pedagogy going on in my family. Uh, there may have been at preschool.
I remember it was fun at preschool. I do remember that. You know, so. We have the power within our hands to change what we're feeling, but it requires us to do something different than what we've been doing before. And I have all of the steps like it this year. It's like, everything feels like it's just landed for me. All the work. That I have put in place and all of the things that I have available for educators to partake in, and this year's summit is how to swinging the pendulum back.
That's what it is, because it feels like we've gone so far to the right where everything's just so emotionally disconnected. And it's go, go, go stress, stress, stress. And I think that's a product of the last four or five years that we've all collectively lived through fires, floods. COVID like, it's just been a time. That we got wound up in all of that stress.
And so what we need to do is we need to swing this pendulum back and we need to really do things differently and take charge and ownership over what we're feeling and what we're doing. And what we're experiencing is educators, because we hold the space for the children. And when we're holding that space, However we are feeling emotionally is how the children are going to be feeling and picking up. You'll know it when, when a parent comes to the door and they've had a time of at that morning. Their child isn't coming in floating full of love, bubbles and flower petals that, that child's coming in, strung out as well because the person that's holding the space for them. Is setting the tone for the day. So we have the opportunity for deep connection and the ability to set the tone and hold the space.
But if we're wound up. If we're having a day of it. And we aren't able to go and regulate our own nervous system before the children arrive. Or even once. The children are there. Take five minutes to do some deep breathing. And deep sighing, because that is a set sign to your nervous system that actually I'm sighing am in a space of ease and contentment right now. That will help you reset your nervous system. You can do that.
Even after the children arrive, it's been one of those busy mornings, you know, and sometimes families will come in and knock you off your center. I used to have the hurricane, my kids used to sing. He comes Joel, hurricane. To Lily, because it was like a freaking hurricane coming through my door and I just opened the other door and I let that energy straight out the other side.
And then when, when she would leave. I would like. Shush it with her. And then we would go back into having our beautiful, calm. Environment for the morning, because that's how I like to start my day. So this. Idea of slow pedagogy. I have like, it's almost like a whole series of things that are available for you to utilize.
And I feel a little bit like. I come doing the hard sales pitch here, but I'm not, I just. Here. It, it, my DMS every single day. And those of you who are already in my communities know what I'm talking about.
There is so much available to you to learn how to streamline what you do so that it's efficient and it's effective. Because that's what we want efficiency and effectiveness in our professional work. Not the work we're doing hands on with the children in our professional work as a small business owner. Being able to like really.
Efficiently do what you need to do so that it's done as quick as you can possibly do it, which doesn't cut into your personal time. Uh, but is enough to set you up so that when you work. In your business. That it has a major impact. We want our, the biggest bang for our buck. So the first place to start in this like series of, of events that are happening this year. Would be to come on to the seasonal planning. And I will put a link into the show notes. I'll also, um, put a word, like if you comment the word or DME, the word autumn planning. Uh, I will send you the link and you can register because that's happening in just over, just over a month. Away. Uh, and it's a three hour planning session.
You get all the PDFs and all the things that you need to be able to plan. And I tell you what I have fire in my belly around slowing down. And getting this slow pedagogy. Right. And really implementing that within our programs, because I honestly think it's going to be the thing that saves us and sees us having a really. Long term vocation in family daycare. So autumn planning is the first thing.
The second thing is the summit. This year. Now that's free. You can jump on for free. If you want to take longer, to be able to watch all the videos you can upgrade to VIP and you get 12 months access. Um, so there'll be social media posts coming out about that as well. There's also the launch of the essential elements.
So if you're the sort of person that's like, you know what, you've just spoken to my heart and I want in on that, I will also put the wait list in the show notes. Um, The show notes, I'll put a post up. Uh, where you can access all of the show notes. When I post about the, um, podcast. Uh, so you'll be able to click on that and then see all the show notes there and get all the links and things that you need for that. Um, so that's a launch.
If you want to be the person that's like, you know what, I'm just, I'm just ready. I just know I need to make a shift then you'll want to jump onto the essential elements this year. Uh, as well, uh, that opens in March and September and put the thing that I'm most excited about. It's something that I've never done before.
And it's the conference on the gold coast. Oh, my goodness. Coming to have a weekend friend, like it's going to be off top. So educators can attend on the Saturday. And we are going to talking about. Slow pedagogy, Kristin day, who is an absolute legend. And if you haven't followed her, you need to go over and follow her straight away.
She is a force to be reckoned with in early childhood education. I went and saw her speak at a conference in Maine. Holly dually. She's hilarious. So funny. So funny and so relatable, like so relatable and the keynote that she's presenting at our conference is press pause. And if that doesn't talk about. Slowing down.
I don't know. What does our, we also have Christine McVie, who's going to be talking about child safety in an online era, digital era. Uh, even Godfrey too, she's going to be talking about the power of saying no and holding boundaries for children and how wonderful that is and all the positive benefits that come from that for you and for the children.
And then my old mate, Katrina Ashmore, those of you that followed me from, uh, The truth about COVID page way back when in 2020. Uh, you'll know that Katrina and I worked really closely together to try and get the best positive outcome we could for family daycare. And, uh, we became really good buddies and she's an absolute legend and a real advocate for family daycare.
So they are all the people that we'll be speaking with you at the conference, uh, as an educator and, uh, Christie McVie, Yvonne and Katrina, and myself will be speaking to approve providers. And we really would love to see approved providers and coordinators and their service staff come because there's nothing available. for you. To talk about the common problems that you face in your services.
So if you are an educator that's listening to this, I'd deeply appreciate you being able to share that there's a conference with a day specifically for approved providers, coordinators, and admin staff. Uh, because there's nothing out there for them. And it's really important that the things that approve providers, coordinators, and admin struggle with. On the daily are different to the things that you struggle with.
So when we can all be like engaged and inspired all in the same weekend, how good is that going to be for everybody's businesses? It's incredible. Uh, I cannot wait. So I feel like, cause I don't like to do the hard sell. It feels ache. But your planning session, three hours to plan your next full 12 weeks in advance.
The full season of autumn will be done. Is $39. I haven't changed that price since I started doing these sessions four years ago, 39 bucks a launch. Well, it depends if you want to jump into the essential elements, but when I launched the essential elements, I'll be doing the helicopter to hands off. Uh, workshop.
Some of you may have attended that already. Don't let that stop you jumping in again, because. The way I'll deliver at this time is going to be a bit different to last time. Plus if you implemented anything and I had a message the other day that someone said my entire life changed after helicopter, the hands-off. The way I looked at my business and the practice that I did is completely different now. Uh, and it's been a lifesaver.
So that was the literal message that I got from someone the other day. So even if you had that massive turnaround in your business, if you watch this again, you're going to pick up things that you didn't get the first time your practice has changed. And the way you view things is different to how it was the first time. That you attended a helicopter to hands-off.
So if you have attended before, don't let that stop you. If you're looking for some more inspiration. Um, so it's free to attend that. And the link is in the show notes to get on the wait list for attending the essential elements. And there'll be heaps of social media. And emails, you won't miss it. Uh, so that is happening in March as well.
And then the summit there's free options to join the summit too. So I don't know why I'm worried about doing the hard sell for you because this is not real. It's like $39. And then if you want to join the summit, it's like $97 to get the VIP. And then if you want to come to conference, it's like 250 bucks. If you get the early bird ticket, which is only available until the 31st of January. So that's it friends.
I hope chatting with you about slow pedagogy and giving you some examples and some ideas as to how that could look and a bit of a story behind how it works has been helpful. I'd really love your feedback. I'd love you to let me know what you think of this. And if it makes sense for you, or if there's other things that you want me to dive into, but I'm pretty focused this year on talking about the slow pedagogy and how we need to swing things back. Um, school readiness.
I, I just want to ditch it. Like, it's not appropriate for children who even came up with that idea. Like what's the rationale behind it. It's just so freaking bonkers that. Yeah, I just, I'm on a mission. I'm on a mission. I ain't going to join me. Where are you going to join me? Where am I going to see you?
Well, that's it for today.
My friends, I hope we get something out of this and I kept it to 40 minutes, 39 minutes and 32 seconds. I've done. All right. All right. My gorgeous friends. Thank you for joining me yet again, for another episode of the big hearted podcast and I will. Enjoy your comments and seeing you around in social lens.
And I will talk with you again soon, much. Love.
